Help! Death Penalty / Abortion ???

[Thawts]

I can only reason that anyone, who does not believe in the death penalty ...
is a GOOD person, who truly feel, that they would NEVER kill anyone.

Yet, many believe in abortion !!!
They are convinced that they are not 'killing', because ...
the 'glob' has no life in it yet.

The sperm, it's tail wiggling, swims here and there, like a smart torpedo looking for its target, to find an egg to burrow its way into.
It has no idea why ... like a wind up toy ... just doing what its creator designed it to do.
Its whole reason for life.

Short, though it may be, the sperm IS alive for a while.
After a while it 'runs down', stops dead. No more life in it ... spent.

Does the one sperm that burrows into that egg die ???

Or does it 'give' life to that egg ???
We all know the end of an egg with no sperm.
It never has life !!!

That 'fertilized' egg doubles, then doubles again, and again, and again ...

'Til the mother KNOWS it has life in it ... she can feel it kicking.

I believe all life is 'transfered' through the sperm ... from the man ...
from his father ... and his father ... and HIS father ...
all the way back to Adam ... then the Great I Am !!!

ALL medical doctors admit, abortion 'ends a life'.


... and WHAT crime did it commit ...
worthy of the DEATH PENALTY ???


But … how can one believe in the Death Penalty, and NOT believe in Abortion ???


If we use "Thy shalt not kill", then we would all be strict vegetarians, and overrun with rats and cock roaches !!!

Does a plant have life ??? uh oh ... I guess we have to survive on powdered minerals or something.


Most theologians translate that to, "thy shalt not murder" ... kill without just cause.


Topics: Mur'der

Text: Wilful murder was distinguished from accidental homicide, and was invariably visited with capital punishment (Num. 35:16, 18, 21, 31; Lev. 24:17). This law in its principle is founded on the fact of man's having been made in the likeness of God (Gen. 9:5, 6; John 8:44; 1 John 3:12, 15). The Mosiac law prohibited any compensation for murder or the reprieve of the murderer (Ex. 21:12, 14; Deut. 19:11, 13; 2 Sam. 17:25; 20:10).

Two witnesses were required in any capital case (Num. 35:19-30; Deut. 17:6-12). If the murderer could not be discovered, the city nearest the scene of the murder was required to make expiation for the crime committed (Deut. 21:1-9). These offenses also were to be punished with death,

(1.) striking a parent;

(2.) cursing a parent;

(3.) kidnapping (Ex. 21:15-17; Deut. 27:16).

Jesus provided forgiveness IF they repented. ...
have remorse AND resolve not ever to do it again.

[President]

oh boy... this is a good debate to start. ;)

I wonder if I should chime in with my own thoughts yet or not?

[champion]

Oddly enough, for all my veiws on issues, I've got real fired up about the death penalty. Both sides of the debate make valid points. What I have decided on is that I wouldn't work to end it in a state that has it, and I wouldn't work to institute in a state that doesn't have it. Of course, we can debate the fairness/unfairness of who gets this punishment, yada yada, but that's after the fact. Anyway.
As for abortion, I am pro-choice, simple as that. I would never have an abortion myself, but that's not really fair considering I'm not really in a position to have an unexpected pregnancy, though it could consevably happen. As for the biblical opposition to it, well, I'm not out to change anyone's beliefs, just as my own are not up for debate. However, biblical reasoning alone cannot be the justification for changing a law.
This is a great comparison to make, abortion and the death penalty. I think that by evaluating our positions on issues in conjunction with others is a great way of really learning what we think and why we think it. It also helps to work out those inconsistancies in our thought process. I'd like to toss another into the mix: the right to die when terminally in a humane and painless way. It is interesting to think that the gov't can make these decisions, but then again, gov't relies on the consent of the governed so we only need to look in the mirror.
-Champi

[Thawts]

Hey Champ,

Thanks for your thawts.

I am also pro-choice ... NOone should be forced to procreate!
I just think THAT choice should be made beFORE coitus!

I would have NO baby be a crack baby ... be abused ... grow in poverty.
But, we will PAY if too many babies are aborted, by having noone to support our golden years. Should we force child birth?
Also, we will PAY if too many babies are born into poverty, through taxes to support welfare. Should we force abortion?
I don't believe these are good reasons, to abort or not to abort.

What bothers me:
1.The one killed, has absolutely NO choice.
2.The father has no weight concerning a baby, that is just as much his as hers.
3.Noone should enjoy a fine meal, then kill the chef, to avoid paying for it.

"It's MY body !!!"
I totally agree! It IS your knees to keep together ... your vagina to keep 'stuff' out of.
Zygote, embryo, fetus, baby ... is NOT part of the mother's body ... check the DNA.

"No unwanted child born"
I totally agree! BUT ...
The problem is NOT the child. What crime did it commit, to deserve the Death Penalty?
The problem is the 'unwanted'! ... The dark selfish heart, in the parent.