American, or Revised History?

[Seeker]

Can we talk about what happened during the time of the people living it? And how they saw it.....Or are we limited to what is Politically Correct?

Choose a topic. Let's watch the diversification of what happened in History.

[champion]

Okay, sounds good.

I'll even give the topic: The Stonewall Rebellion

Ready? Go.
-Champi

[Seeker]

If you're referring to what happened in the "Village"...That was more of a hissy-fit than anything else. Just teasing, and trying to sound you out.

Peace.

[champion]

Alright, so a hissy fit. What, exactly, qualified it as such?

[Seeker]

If you're personally advocating rioting and destruction of private property as a legitimate form of expression, then it qualifies.
Why did you bring up this point in time?

Of what Historical significance is it to you?

[champion]

Rioting and destruction of private property.....interesting way of putting it. Having seen riots of a more destructive sort, I wouldn't classify it as such, it was a refusal to remain complicit in the systematic abuse of authority. What I personally find worthwhile is they didn't attack random targets - they didn't even have a target. They just weren't going to be pushed around. It is something every person has to face in some or another at some point - how far can you be pushed? At what point are you willing to accept whatever the consequences may be and stand your ground?

[Seeker]

So in your eyes, the burning of Police cars and rioting for three days is sanctioned by you Champ? But only if you think you have a good reason...... And it was only limited destruction.

Great. I see you find the idea of following the Law open to personal interpetation. Do you really thinks that's a good idea?

Peace

[champion]

First of all, the law is open to interpretation. We all make these discisions on a near-daily basis - to varying degrees, of course. Some, those with little or no consequence, are given little to no thought. Others, which have significant consequences are given thought. It is those that make the decision hard. It is those that make us answer those questions. Do I 'sanction' three-rioting and burning of police cars (public property - not private, just a note)? Of course not, anything can get out of hand and go too far. Those that committed those crimes should be - and were - held accountable. However, the majority of those involved were not burning cars - they were resisting arrest.
It is interesting to me that you so harshly condemn the Stonewallers for their rioting, destruction, etc., yet refer to it as a 'hissy fit'.

Anywho, did you have a topic in mind with your first post? What is the 'diversification of history'?
-Champi

[Seeker]

Try telling a Judge the Law is open to your own interpetation and see how far you get Champ. I can't see us as a Nation going around deciding what Laws to follow, and which to break,,, as a very good standard to set. True, police cars are Public Property. So I assume that it's ok with you to burn them?

And it's fine by you to resist arrest while destroying both public and private property,,,, but only when in drag. Sounds fair to me.

I think you've just made a little diversified History Champ. You see Lawlessness as something to glory in. I see it as an anathma to civilized culture.

[champion]

I see I haven't made myself clear. The law is open to interpretation insofar as we are willing to follow it - and what do you follow? The spirit of the law? The letter? Anyway, my point is that we all have choices, we have to accept the consequences for those choices. I never stated burning anything was fine by me, and I never mentioned being in drag. The choice was clear - finally - to those at Stonewall that night and they choose not to be complacent. They took a stand and challenged an unjust law and unethical practices.

As for telling a judge, if I felt strongly enough about the issue I would what I felt was right and allow the chips to fall as they may.

It seems you feel the Stonewallers were wrong. Is that just in the destruction you think they created, that they resisted arrest, or the whole shebang?

[Seeker]

Keep in mind you're the one who chose this topic Champ, not I. As for how I deal with the Law, I follow it. If I think it's unfair, I will take a stand against it, but within the Legal bounds...Rioting and usless carnage isn't what I'd consider helpful in proving my case. How about you?

Peace.

[champion]

Good morning, Seeker.
In most - as in 99% - cases, I agree. Working within the system is the best and most effective way to change unfair policies. I also recognize that sometimes - and this is rare, admittedly - this is not feasible. It seems we will have to agree to disagree on whether Stonewall is one of those times. To reiterate, though, I do not feel that any property damage at Stonewall was warrented - it is the resisting arrest I concur with.

Yes, I did choose the topic - what would you choose?
-Champi

[Seeker]

Being that the original Post was on American History, you did choose a point in the past that I assume you felt strongly about. I see no problem with that. I thought it be a real kick to see what some of the kids are being taught now. Every time we turn around anymore it seems we're told that there should be Black, Red, Brown, and multi-ethnic History.......

I always looked at us as Americans. And we all know what happens to a divided House.

Peace.

[champion]

I certainly agree. I can't stand it when people look to an organization (or whatever), count up the number of men and women, or skin colors, then decide that organization is sexist and/or racist. They can't see the forest for the trees.
We are all just people; skin color, sex, religion, orientation, all that should just be an interesting aside - as in "oh, he's left-handed? I didn't know that, anyway...." and nothing more to it. Okay, so sex wouldn't typically be an 'Oh, really?', but you get my drift.
-Champi

[Seeker]

Perhaps it will be possible someday to take each other at face value. If we're given the chance, maybe we'll advance enough in the social order of Life to actually feel what another Human feels...

Then we won't be so quick to hurt each other. But as of now, most of us are limited to what we see and hear. But I take your meaning as well. What is private between two people should remain exactly that.

Peace.